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Scrubbing or skipping sensation...

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#1 ·
...when making tight turns at low speeds. For example when making a tight turn into a parking lot. Get a strange scrubbing or skipping sensation from the front wheels. Maybe a result of the low profile wheels? Typical of the 12Cs?
 
#2 ·
Two things:

1. As you know, the outer tire must roll further than the inner tire in a turn. Similarly, the outer EDGE of the tire must roll further than the inner edge. That edge-to-edge variation is insignificant for cars with hard, narrow tires, but can be noticeable in a car with wide sticky tires.

2. Because the outer tire must travel further than the inner tire, the front tires are not parallel except when they're pointed straight ahead; when the car is turning, the inner wheel is usually aimed along a smaller-radius circle than the outer wheel. This "Ackerman" steering, if arranged perfectly, ensures that each tire rolls smoothly without slipping, but sometimes the "perfect" arrangement is modified -- even reversed -- for high-performance cars in order to achieve certain dynamic handling characteristics. If the 12C is built with a significantly modified Ackerman geometry (I don't know whether it is), the tires will scrub sideways in tight turns.
 
#7 ·
Jarek,
I feel the same thing on mine at low speed and tight lock. Seems a bit worse when maneuvering forward and rearwards in tight spaces. I have noticed this on other cars, but it does seem a bit worse on the 12C ( or the MP4/12C - for Jessica), but I have always just put it down to the cars steering geometry set up as mentioned above as my car is perfect and I love it!

FF
 
#8 ·
Actually, reverse Ackerman. Driven at the limit it's not unusual for the outside tire to have more slip angle than the inside and therefore need a tighter radius than the inside tire, instead of vice-versa for low speeds. So at full lock, the outside tire can describe a significantly tighter radius than inside, so something has to give. It is more pronounced in cold because the tread blocks are more rigid.

Consider it a badge of performance just like a louder exhaust, squeaky brake pads and all the other compromises for performance.